[SKELLEY521]

Well I told you guys I'm a lube nut so I had to get my hands on what Yamaha recommends just to see it and compare.
This is not what they used.
Pic of the outside of the Secondary and pic of the grease I removed from inside of the Fixed half.
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The inside grease was gelatin like and lacking good lubricating properties.
I don't even want to talk about the outside....lol.


Pic of the Bel-Ray Assembly Lube
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I compared the Bel-Ray to another high moly grease that I have in my arsenal.
Initially, the consistency is very similar. My moly grease had slightly better lubricating properties, but it didn't take long to discover that the Bel-Ray moly has a much higher content of moly solids.

I am glad I used Tinkseal

I have a completely different project that I'm working on and I have been mixing it with Tinkseal to get the consistency right so I could put it to good use.

 

[Tsckey]

Where are our resident Yamaha employee/experts? The secondary spring cup is an essential part for maintaining and repairing that assembly. The company can't have stopped making them unless they've also stopped making the X2/4s altogether. What gives?

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Where are our resident Yamaha employee/experts? The secondary spring cup is an essential part for maintaining and repairing that assembly. The company can't have stopped making them unless they've also stopped making the X2/4s altogether. What gives?

Pure speculation, but it could be they're redesigning that part and it's taking longer than usual.

 

[Paul65]

I bet that's what's going on, figures I'll be the proud owner of the middle one.

 

[TimBo]

Where are our resident Yamaha employee/experts? The secondary spring cup is an essential part for maintaining and repairing that assembly. The company can't have stopped making them unless they've also stopped making the X2/4s altogether. What gives?

I received my spring cup about a week ago but then decided to order the seals and o-rings as well.
Rebuilt it yesterday and it all looked to be in great condition with no rust.
Used Tinkseal throughout.

 

[Happycamper08]

I tore mine apart this weekend and replaced the seals and o-rings. I was worried for nothing just hard grease in there no damage at all. 4400 miles.

 

[SKELLEY521]

I tore mine apart this weekend and replaced the seals and o-rings. I was worried for nothing just hard grease in there no damage at all. 4400 miles.

What ? No pics....you know the rules....lol j/k
Glad to hear no damage, but that old hard grease wasn't helping any.

 

[therebel19]

I used this on the secondary when I changed sheaves: OEM Part Number: ACC-POLYG-RS-10 Part: POLYUREA GREASE 10OZ . Should have took pics but after 2000 miles there was little to no wear.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Time to check on my sheaves after 2K miles with Tinkseal used in the secondary and the primary sliding's collar shaft:

If you haven't seen my RMAX clutching video for upgrades (specifically the sprint cup), it's here:

I think X2/X4/RMAX secondary sheave service could be extended to 3000 miles if the original grease is swapped out with Tinkseal. That 1600 mile service interval from the Yamaha bulletin was based on when some rental units here were failing using stock grease.

In my video you'll see some black\dried grease marks on the secondary's shaft. I didn't wash my new (used) secondary as I normally do as it seems the timing of this seems to always coincide with winter/colder temps and I didn't want to risk any moisture issues so I just dry-cleaned it, which meant some of the original grease was probably left over in the seals.

When I get my RMAX4, I do plan on immediately replacing the OEM grease with Tinkseal after break-in.

 

[SKELLEY521]

Thanks for the update Massive.
The Sheave wear looks a heck of a lot better, especially the spring cup.
Are you going to wait until your first service in your RMAX to change over or shortly after getting it?

I'll continue to use Tinkseal in my sheaves also as it is just working so smooth.
Tinkseal is pretty much my 'goto' lube for a lot of jobs. I even save the empty jars to pre-mix it with other lubes.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Thanks for the update Massive.
The Sheave wear looks a heck of a lot better, especially the spring cup.
Are you going to wait until your first service in your RMAX to change over or shortly after getting it?

I'll continue to use Tinkseal in my sheaves also as it is just working so smooth.
Tinkseal is pretty much my 'goto' lube for a lot of jobs. I even save the empty jars to pre-mix it with other lubes.

First service as in 20 hours \ (whatever mileage.....think it's 2-300) yes, but not if you mean first sheave service slated at 1600 miles.

 

[Paul65]

I completely agree with your decision to change the OEM grease to Tinkseal at the break in service. I wish I'd done that the first time I took the CVT case off.

Ref: Post #201 in "Dust problem in primary sliding sheave in Hunterwork's greaseless setup"

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Guys, I can't emphasize enough the importance of servicing your secondary on all X2/X4/RMAX models (1600 miles or earlier). Servicing your secondary is MORE important than servicing your primary with these models if you're playing the game of neglect.

If you don't, you're looking at a $500+ bill in replacement parts and guess what? EVERYTHING is hard to get right now. 2500 miles on this secondary that came off an X2/X4 (not mine).

 

[Wolverinegramps]

Massive does the RMAX secondary wear as quickly? I know it was upgraded from previous models.

 

[Tripplec]

I'd wonder if the new 2021 X2 had/has the same wear issue as well. A big step backwards from the Gen 1 I'd say.

 

[lusgi]

massive, is that off your new machine?

 

[Wolverinegramps]

I like Yamaha products but this is disappointing. My friend has a CanAm with over 6,000 miles on it. The clutches have never been serviced and has the original belt. All he does for maintenance is blow out the clutches with compressed air.
I'll have to service mine three times a year.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Massive does the RMAX secondary wear as quickly? I know it was upgraded from previous models.

As far as the sheave faces, only time will tell. As far as the pin guides and spring cup, I think they'll last longer with proper maintenance.

I'd wonder if the new 2021 X2 had/has the same wear issue as well. A big step backwards from the Gen 1 I'd say.

I was disappointed that the X2/X4 didn't get the secondary upgrades the RMAX received. It's a no-brainer. We're almost pushing 3X the HP in the RMAX as the Gen 1 engine and more weight to boot.

massive, is that off your new machine?

I updated the post, it's off another FB member's X2/X4

I like Yamaha products but this is disappointing. My friend has a CanAm with over 6,000 miles on it. The clutches have never been serviced and has the original belt. All he does for maintenance is blow out the clutches with compressed air.
I'll have to service mine three times a year.

Both our squad's Can Am Commander sheaves are shot at under 2K miles. One way bearings didn't last long and we blow about a belt a season. No way our Commander sheaves will make it to 3K miles.

 

[Wolverinegramps]

Thanks for the information Massive. I appreciate all your posts. That is interesting about the CanAm’s. I guess my friend has been lucky.
He has a Maverick Trail 800 and is fairly easy on it.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Just for reference: 2020 Wolverine xr2 clutch issues