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X4 3000 mile sheave service (also applicable to the X2)

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UPDATE: See this post first: https://www.wolverineforums.com/for...ral-discussion/29434-yamaha-wolverine-x4-9000-miles-600-hours-2.html#post314946

3K miles and it's time to service the both the primary and secondary sheaves. Hopefully my experience is an isolated case, but as a precaution, I recommend you service/check your secondary sheave much sooner, like at 1K miles. I'm not going to go over actually servicing the primary/secondary replacing grease as it's the exact same process as on the older generations, just that everything's bigger and beefier. Todd from Hunterworks has videos on how to do this.

I've already done a post of my mods which allow removal of the CVT cover without removing your pillar plastic or seat bracket. This holds true only for primary service. For secondary sheave service, unfortunately you still have to remove the seat bracket to get the secondary sheave off the shaft.

https://www.wolverineforums.com/for...eral-discussion/18258-yamaha-wolverine-x2-x4-mods-tips-tricks-5.html#post228018

Now I'm a self-proclaimed Filipino *******, so the welding job you see here isn't pretty using my cheapie Harbor Freight welder. I welded a lugnut to the stock cam plate cover to help hold my primary in place while taking/installing the primary sheave holding nut. The metal is thin so I'd buy another cam plate cover and double them up as after so much torque it flexes.

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Pulled off the cam plate and you can see how much debris is in the sheave. The debris is greatly reduced as I've installed an air clean-out port that you can purchase through UTVEngineering.com. I blow out my primary every other week and it greatly reduces the buildup and can extend primary sheave service intervals so long as you're using grease that's better than stock, such as the red formulation many manufacturers offer.

Videos of air cleanout port:


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Everything all cleaned up. Keep in mind that this sheave is a prototype that was hand cut and not done on a CNC machine. Frankly I think the performance of this first prototype is good enough for production (simply taking measurements for use to program the CNC machine), a testament to Michael's knowledge of sheaves. HIS VERY FIRST TRY and we hit 60 MPH.

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You can see here the rollers are making it all the way to the primary's outer endpoints by the wear marks.

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Primary fixed/moveable wear marks.

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Stock moveable on the left vs prototype on the right. You can see from the wear marks that the prototype is riding much lower = more low end torque (not like the X2/X4 needed it, but it's welcome). You can also see that it's riding further to the outer edge = the reason we're hitting 60 MPH.

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Onto the secondary sheave:

Those of you who upgraded from a Rhino/Viking/Wolverine and think you can reuse your old tools, think again. I had to drop ~$40 on a new adjustable wrench to remove my secondary nut. You'll need something 2.146" or 54.5 mm wrench or socket to be able to remove that nut. I recommend an adjustable wrench as it doesn't take much torque to break it loose but using a hammer/chisel won't work like it did on the earlier generations (at least in my experience). If you're thinking of doing the tire trick to remove the nut, I wouldn't recommend it unless you weigh 300 lbs because the X2/X4's secondary spring is much beefier than the Rhino/Viking/Wolverine's.

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Hunterworks has redesigned their secondary spring compressor based on my feedback. Their secondary spring compressor has been beefed up to handle the X2/X4's larger spring as well as larger diameter. Here you can see the older spring compressor won't fit over the spring cup retaining nut.

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Secondary spring holding tool:

https://www.hunterworks.com/inc/sdetail/123661/133643

More Filipino ******* engineering. I used a cheap electrical wall plate in conjunction with a steering wheel puller to get the clearance I needed to get the nut off.

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X2/X4's secondary spring is on steroids compared to the older generation.

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Secondary face wear pattern showing we're getting good belt travel at both extremes.

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More measurements for future upgrades ;)

Inner spring cup diameter.

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Outer spring cup diameter.

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Now for the UGLY. This could be due to to waiting 3K miles to service the secondary, it could be due to inadequate amount of grease installed from the factory, it could be due to that grease being not up to par for the job, it could be from too much grease being installed in the shaft cavity causing the guide pins to push out under hydraulic pressure, maybe the beefier spring is somehow causing the sleeve to side-load and bind.........or all the above. One thing is for sure, I've never seen this before and my colleagues haven't either. The pins gouged the spring sleeve very badly.

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The BAD. I wasn't expecting this and didn't have a spare secondary spring sleeve to put back in so I had to reuse it. I rotated it 25 degrees so the guide pins have a better surface to ride on but nothing's preventing the sleeve from rotating to a point where the pins are back in those grooves. I'm ordering a new sleeve and guide pins ASAP. Pins aren't as bad but I'll be ordering new ones as well.

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The GOOD. The X2/X4 engine make so much damn torque across the RPM range that I didn't notice the lack of it. Obviously the secondary sheave wasn't moving in and out as efficiently as it could have. After putting everything back together I noticed the secondary back/up shifting much smoother than before. Red grease is rated to something like 500 F. If you can show me specs of Yamaha's OEM grease matching that volatility point, I'll concede to using OEM, but for me I'm going red in my Blue ;)

UPDATE: I forgot to take pictures of the spider cage. Make sure you check the grease or repack the bearing inside the spider cage

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UPDATE 2: I believe the problem with my spring sleeve probably contributed to my stock rollers flat-spotting:

https://www.wolverineforums.com/for...-x2-x4-cvt-sheaves-wet-clutch/21066-wolverine-x2-x4-clutch-mods.html#post218409

Continuing on with the wet clutch here:

https://www.wolverineforums.com/for...wet-clutch/25412-x4-3000-mile-sheave-service-also-applicable-x2.html#post269820

Here are some torque specs:

Primary and secondary sheave retaining bolts are both 27 mm.

Primary sheave retaining nut 184 ft-lbs
Secondary sheave retaining nut 118 ft-lbs
Secondary spring retaining nut 66 ft-lbs
Wet clutch bolt 96 ft-lbs which is reverse threaded
 
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You're welcome! I haven't forgotten about your email. I'll get ya an answer tomorrow.
 
#4 · (Edited)
I decided to check the wet clutch as it was buggin' the crap out of me since no one as taken one apart yet

CVT back housing removed exposing access to the wet clutch housing

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The housing came off a little easier than the previous models. I was surprised that the housing bolts loosened with very little effort. You can immediately see that the wet clutch friction shoes look in excellent condition

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Close up

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You can see that the main support bearing is now the same size as the one way bearing. On older models the main support bearing was much smaller. This should make both last much longer due to the better support that the larger main bearing offers. You can't feel the grooves in the drum.

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With 3500 miles, you can appreciate how clean the engine is, a testament to synthetic oil

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Note that the case has a horizontal split. The new housing gasket has small beads of silicon integrated into it near the housing parts for better sealing in those areas.

Slapped her back together and she should be good for at least another 4K miles if not more.
 
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I updated the OP as well as the wet clutch post
 
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I don't have an X4 but I found myself reading your whole write up. Nice work and very detailed pics.
 
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So the new spring cup should be here in a couple days and we'll see if the scoring happens again. I'll have to verify this once I have my secondary back apart but the scoring is happening when the secondary is open, i.e. high speed running, which is when spring pressure is at its greatest.

Need more data so my fellow X2/X4 owners, especially those of you on a stock clutch that do high speed runs, put those miles on so we can see what shape your secondaries are in ;)
 
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Thanks to The General for this info as I know some are looking for it.

Primary sheave retaining nut is normal thread and torque spec is 184 ft-lbs
Secondary sheave retaining nut is also normal thread and torque spec is 118 ft-lbs
 
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Took mine apart to put the oem big tire weights in and it looked like this! 365miles. Found a broken o-ring that was on the clutch with the grease. O-ring only went maybe half way around. Guess it spun it all out. Found a small groove on the outside of the face of one of the plates also. Prob going to get a new o-ring clean it all real good and see how it does.
 
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Some updates

I used red loctite (not too much, just a dab on the outer threads) on my secondary spring retention nut and found it hard to break the nut free. If you use loctite you can apply heat to the fastener and it should melt off but I placed a socket to clamp the secondary in place so I could break the nut free. I placed rubber below the outer sheave to help hold it.

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Updated Hunterworks secondary spring holding tool now fits over the X2/X4 secondary spring retention nut

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Pay special attention to the spider cage bearing grease seal. The bearing seal retention plate they use to hold it in is only secured on one side. There's a tab to keep the retention plate from rotating but nothing to prevent it from the unsecured end of the plate from being pushed out by the seal. This can cause a lot of problems if it happens as the retention plate will rub against the end shaft. Overgreasing can force that seal out so if you're regreasing that bearing, install the spider cage and bottom it out and pull it back off to see if too much grease that forces the rubber seal out. In addition the seal could be so tight that the spider cage won't bottom out properly. You then install your bolts and your spider cage can get installed cockeyed. I don't install the bolts unless I know all 4 legs are flush and bottomed out. I wish Yamaha would redesign the seal holder so that it's secured by 2 bolts, not just one.

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Bearing seal removed exposing bearing

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If you have a bearing puller it may be easier to repack the bearing. I'm using Tinkseal to relube mine

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Rubber seal reinstalled and sitting flush

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I removed some more of the CVT webbing around the intake (I know it's not pretty looking) so it's easier to remove

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Great info in all of your threads so far that I’ve read. Thanks for posting.
 
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5K mile update. Between all the clutch testing I've lost track of exact mileage but it's been 500-1K miles since I last serviced my secondary. To refresh your memories, I had replaced the spring cup because it was heavily gouged. I didn't service it with normal grease but used TinkSeal (available from HunterWorks) this time. I realized when I got everything back together, minus spring, that when I moved the secondary sheave halves in\out that the outer seals were shot and allowing too much grease to get by them. Being this is my daily driver I decided to go with it for winter since I wouldn't be doing much high speed driving and would replace the seals when things warmed up.

In my previous Viking\Rhino one could get away with just re greasing and reusing the seals but with the additional loads\heat I now feel one should replace the seals on the X2/X4 secondary or at least have them on hand. The outer seals are part #93101-48004-00 and you'll need 2 at about 12 bucks each. You'll also need the O-rings, which are part #93210-50768-00, also 2 at 3 bucks each.

Usually when pulling my secondary out for service I'll find some grease has flung out onto the housing no matter how good I clean up excess grease after repacking. I was pleasantly surprised that even with bad seals there was minimum grease flung on the inside of my CVT housing

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The reason for this I believe is because Tinkseal is very light weight, more the consistency of white lithium grease than wheel bearing grease. As a result it's more apt to stay where you put it. Another reason for changing the seals is that if you change greases, it's really hard to clean out the grease behind the outer seals as well as any dirt that gets in there as well.

I'm used to replacing larger automotive seals where a pick or screwdriver or self-screw can be used. I bought an actual seal puller this time and using a block of wood with it makes it much easier to remove the seal. Here the seal is already removed so you can get a better idea of how to use the seal puller

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This shot shows the 2 O-ring seals removed and the top end seal removed

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The other seal on the belt side of the secondary sheave removed

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New seals installed and secondary packed with TinkSeal. I purposely put grease on the spring cup surface as there are no plans for slippery washers at this point for the X2/X4 that I know of. Make sure that before installing the O-rings you liberally coat the O-rings as well as pack their channels. For the end seals, you want to install them dry, otherwise they can come out if you lube the channels they're in. Use a large socket or piece of wood and gently tap them into place being careful not to install them cockeyed. If you do get them started cockeyed, don't try to tap the high side but start at the seated part and follow around the circumference of the seal tapping with your wood block. After they're installed make sure you pack grease inside their lips.

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Even with my seals shot, Tinkseal kept the guide pins from gouging the spring cup. Unlike grease that lubricates surfaces, TinkSeal treats the metal so even if the liquid component dries out, you essentially have a dry-lubed part. The other benefit is that your seals get the benefit of that treatment and should last longer from friction wear.
 
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I posted videos of my CVT blowout port but forgot to post pictures of where I installed mine so here ya go:

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I did have to take my dremel to remove some of the ribs so the port sat flush with the housing.

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This puts it right near the outer edge of the primary sheave roller channel.

I also modified my firewall cover so I have a direct shot to my CVT air intake. I have a corded blower that I'll place near that opening and then use the CVT blowout port while it's running. Saves me from having to rev the engine to get the sheaves moving to get all the dust blown out

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The debris is greatly reduced as I've installed an air clean-out port that you can purchase through UTVEngineering.com. I blow out my primary every other week and it greatly reduces the buildup and can extend primary sheave service intervals so long as you're using grease that's better than stock, such as the red formulation many manufacturers offer.
I cannot find the air clean out port from UTVEng. Does anyone know where to get it, or something similar? The last few pictures make it appear to simply be a brass bulkhead fitting for air tubing.
 
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I've bought those brass bulkhead fittings before and from memory they are around 12-15 bucks without the nut. I'll pay the $20 just to get it behind me. Bought one. Thanks for the links.