[therebel19]

PPPPPP42, you make some good points.

 

[Budro2]

Opinions vary based on use and terrain,
The steering, (if it works as intended) is one of the best moves Yamaha has done.

Anyone that can steer one handed in diff lock at very slow speeds on sand stone rock out west, has to be a partial silver back gorilla. It’s literally impossible for a man like myself that weighs a buck fifty!
The steering for rock crawling applications is far more disappointing than the AP but that’s coming from a person that would just like to be able to turn and doesn’t even use the AP!

I could care less about turf mode too but I’m glad for those that will appreciate it so long as it works and holds up.

The only way to make everyone happy would be to give us options on ordering all these little details the way we want.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Add me to the list of people that thinks Yamaha can go F themselves for making a replacement for the pitifully outdated adventure pro that isn't backwards compatible.
I will be happy to retract that statement if a kit comes out later.

This would be like asking any of your modern PC games to run on a Gateway 2000 PC.
It would be like asking any of your modern Android apps to run on your old Motorola RZR
It would be like asking for the 2021+ hard cab to fit a 2018 Wolverine. Sometimes you have to abandon a platform with NO future in order to move forward. This happens all the time in just about any industry

I was more than happy to piss away even up to $1500 for a new one with the new cradle and flip up plastic bezel piece as a kit so that I could transfer hundreds of miles of personally mapped back trails to a new unit with actual working map software. But apparently after screwing us for four years with a unit that used hardware WAY out of date before the 21's even came out, and then putting crappy race track software in it that they dropped support for, they decided to hang us out to dry permanently.

You can export ALL your tracks via GPX file to whatever mapping software your heart desires as GPX is pretty much universal in the mapping world:

https://trxsupport.magellangps.com/hc/en-us/articles/4411278518295-Export-GPX-files-from-device-to-micro-SD-card

If there is a market for that pig of a stretch limo then it was a good move. We actually make a game out of watching the absurdly long four seaters get stuck high centered or wedged on trees around here. It's like sitting a boat landing watching people flail around. I just wish they had moved the diff towards the rear on the '25 "compact" to eliminate the need for different CV's and that really stupid backwards raked angle that only the four seater has. At least the stretch limo got the 2 seaters rear end. I didn't see in the video, but if they didn't square up the rim size with these mods on all models they are morons. Wider rears are basically useless as a feature and truly annoying for many other reasons.

There is a market. The limo General Max and Commander Max actually sell well so it was SMART for Yamaha to offer something to compete for those consumers, which they've completely knocked out of the ballpark. The RMAX4 (Long wheelbase) does indeed get a square tire setup with beadlocks on the XTR version. Yes I wish they'd simply put beadlocks on all non-base models. Not everyone goes through a set of tires every year and not everyone needs a square setup. There are many customers who run stock tire setup and are happy with it. There are many customers who buy something from the initial test or demo drive and don't have a clue what a square tire setup is or why they would need it.

I see the value to others, but the extra electronic stuff wouldn't interest me, I don't do donuts in my front lawn and I know how to get the front to lock up almost instantly when I start to bog down without losing much momentum. I never have trouble steering with one hand even with the diff lock engaged so the current single setting is more than enough. When the wheel doesn't want to turn, that's useful feedback you need to pay attention to, not something to mechanically overpower.

I don't do donuts in my front lawn either. NOT EVEN in my YXZ which can do donuts easily. I welcome turf mode and easier front diff lock because I know reliability is still #1. I have to train SAR members every year and MOST of them don't own a SxS, and not having to go through the rigamarole of:

"OK now, make sure you're stopped, you see that blinky red light indicator? If it's flashing you're not in diff lock yet? Try sawing back and forth at the wheel. OK, now try backing up and put it back in forward..........blip the throttle now.........oh yeah, make sure you do this BEFORE you need it!! Now feel how hard it is to steer? That's NORMAL.................." This is why they added adjustable EPS. You like the feedback, leave it in low. They did A LOT of testing with this which is WHY it takes them so long to implement something.

I still have no idea how people listen to the radio in the Rmax. I got a killer deal on the rear overhead speakers for my 4 seater so I went for it, but it still has to be at ear bleeding levels to overpower the engine noise.

This is why the RMAX now has speed sensitive volume. This is why they abandoned SSV and jumped onto the MTX train. This is why they abandoned a head unit as the majority of customers who listen to music will stream from their smartphone. I apologize for not covering every single detail of the new models but we LITERALLY had a few hours to absorb the OVERWHELMING amount of upgrades and I went last because I don't get paid to do this like all the big dogs who were there. I had to contend with rain showers interrupting me and my window of time to do my spiel. Honestly I'm still happy with how my video came out despite all the logistics nightmares I had to contend with.

I would actually love the better front brakes but not enough to try and retrofit the knuckles and brakes unless all my stuff is worn out since low gear compression braking is so good that I only use the brakes on really high speed trails.

I'm with you here. People are amazed that I've never replaced the brakes on either my X4 or my RMAX4, both of them having over 10K miles. If you don't do a lot of mud, WASH your caliper area out after every ride, and let engine braking (especially with a machined sheave) do it's thing, you rarely have to use the brakes.

I do see the X series units becoming that much more popular as the price gap with all the added on crap keeps growing.

 

[SeventyGTX]

Sorry but virtually none of the new 2025 upgrades are backward compatible with the older models.

Of course not, they want you to buy a new one.

 

[therebel19]

Of course not, they want you to buy a new one.

I agree, I can't see that Yamaha added all new sensors, ECU, and wiring to make the new AV Pro work for the new models. Give it time and I bet someone comes up with a work around. Maybe a new cradle will be needed. I don't know what UTVs use but ODBII is still ODBII in vehicles which can scan and display the important things that the old AV Pro displayed. I think the same may happen with the gauge cluster.

 

[SeventyGTX]

I agree, I can't see that Yamaha added all new sensors, ECU, and wiring to make the new AV Pro work for the new models. Give it time and I bet someone comes up with a work around. Maybe a new cradle will be needed. I don't know what UTVs use but ODBII is still ODBII in vehicles which can scan and display the important things that the old AV Pro displayed. I think the same may happen with the gauge cluster.

I hope so, I don't care much for the AP at all. It was outdated when it first came out in these.

 

[hkove86]

Same as before:

2026 WOLVERINE RMAX4 1000 - Key Features | Yamaha Motorsports USA

Class-leading ground clearance, class-leading suspension travel and more confidence for tackling rough, rocky terrain—the Wolverine RMAX4 1000 XT-R is here to raise the game in the Recreational Side-by-Side class. - The Yamaha 2026 WOLVERINE RMAX4 1000

yamahamotorsports.com

I believe it's based on the chassis and powertrain, not the suspension.

I like the truffe mode on the 2025. Maybe 1 day Yamaha will make a kit for my 2023 Rmax

 

[MassiveOverkill]

 

[Chaws]

Any word on the part numbers and availability of the new upper door frames and zip in/out windows? Other than some of the pretty cool new updates, I would say that's one that will likely hit a lot of units that are already in use.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Any word on the part numbers and availability of the new upper door frames and zip in/out windows? Other than some of the pretty cool new updates, I would say that's one that will likely hit a lot of units that are already in use.

I was told sometime this quarter so hopefully there will be no delays. I don't have part numbers yet.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

Some great upgrades for sure and at a lower price is a win win.
I like that Rspec plastic. Not a fan of paint myself.
They even put a spring in the rear doors so they don’t have to be modified like I did to my sons 4 seater.

Here’s the thing for me, not knocking it at all but for my use at home, the long wheel base is a drawback. For rock crawling it’s the ideal wheel base but only if it can handle a 35” tire, and I’d want more travel. If someone did long travel it could be considered, but i don’t personally think the wet clutch would do well with a 35 if long travel made them fit and I have the sheave ratio maxed out and it’s ok for the extremes on 32s but I wouldn’t like the gearing on a 35 so it would take different gearing in the tranny to make me happy.
I’m anti portals due to steering leverage but perhaps that’s the way to make it a crawler at that length. It will be interesting to see just how much boost that new steering compensates for.
I doubt it will ever be for me but a lot of people are going to like it.

According to this guy, his 35's don't rub so at least there's one criteria met

 

[Budro2]

According to this guy, his 35's don't rub so at least there's one criteria met

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Hard to believe for me since my 32s when new hit the top rear fender well at full compression. I rock crawl at 70” wide and can get a slight rub on my outer front fender well too. It’s not very often but I know a 35 will hit very easily.
I think a lot of people throw on large tires and do some easy trail riding and report no rub.

I hope I’m wrong and more people find 35s will work but I’m not convinced I’d like the gearing of 35s for a rock crawler.
If he puts up any videos doing real stuff in that thing, I’d love to see them.

 

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[Raku]

So, with turf mode the rear is open and doesn't bind on the pavement when making turns? I plan on getting a street plate for my RMAX2, so that would be a much appreciated feature.

 

[aschatz80]

Wonder if the MTX Subwoofer would fit in a 2023 Rmax4?

 

[MassiveOverkill]

The Yamaha RMAX Is Still King of the Rec-Ute UTVs

The 2025 Yamaha RMAX4 1000 is easily our favorite rec-ute machine on sale today.

www.utvdriver.com

 

[MassiveOverkill]

2025 Yamaha Wolverine RMAX2 1000 Comparison

Explore the 2025 Yamaha Wolverine RMAX2 1000 comparison for performance, comfort, and versatility in UTVs.

utvguide.net

 

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