[Frankb]

$1200.00 is steep for some farmer/rancher/joe blow that bought a SxS and has happen what a lot of people do, break a belt , and if you dont break the belt it will still wear, just like any machines Yamaha or Polaris. What I was getting at is this Honda has NO BELT, read that again, no belt, which is amazing. That means you dont have to worry about a belt getting wet, you dont have to service the clutch, you dont have to worry about another wear item, you dont have to buy a $1200.00 clutch to "fix" a problem. Its genius. Plain and simple. I love my Wolverine but i have never been in love with CVT's ever, coming from my background of racing quads and riding dirtbikes my whole life I love to shift and this Pioneer gives you the best of both worlds, you can shift or go auto.

Amen to what Flach24 posted here! My thoughts EXACTLY! I love the fact that it has no belt and a lot of other things it does have. I cannot imagine anyone not liking paddle shifters either. Great job on the P-1000 Honda!

 

[tundraman]

Was going to buy a Wolverine but the P1000 will suit my needs better. Honda always seems to stay one step ahead of the competition. My Pioneer 700-2 for 9500 bucks has been a good unit. Just looking for a three seater. We will see what the next Yamaha offerings will be.

 

[Deeyoh]

Don't mind a CVT myself. Easy to service and cheap to fix. If a Rincon transmission goes, you might as well buy a new ATV. A replacement is 3k. I have a 98 Honda 300ex and it still runs great. Rebuilt the top end back in 2004 and it's still going strong. Sure, replaced clutch many times and axle carriers but that's it. Just not sure about the high tech transmissions since the come with high repair prices. Maybe it'll be great but I'll definitely wait and see.

 

[Frankb]

True If the Honda transmission goes out it would be expensive. It would be interesting to see if anyone has had a Honda transmission go out. If not, then it is a non issue.

 

[Hunter4Life]

If you use it, don't abuse it and change the fluids regularly it should last a long time. If you like to push it passed it's intended limits then a CVT setup is your better some what cheaper choice. JMO

 

[Deeyoh]

CAW had a new Honda 700 sitting out front. There's no comparison with the Wolverine. The difference in suspension alone is like comparing a raptor 90 suspension with a raptor 700R's suspension setup. Looks like it would beat the hell out of you through the trails we ride. The suicide doors are pretty neat though. The knob opening is interesting. But just jumping up and down on the front.. shss don't tell anyone. The travel/dampening was shockingly bad. Guess the Wolverine has spoiled me.

 

[EpicWolverine]

CAW had a new Honda 700 sitting out front. There's no comparison with the Wolverine. The difference in suspension alone is like comparing a raptor 90 suspension with a raptor 700R's suspension setup. Looks like it would beat the hell out of you through the trails we ride. The suicide doors are pretty neat though. The knob opening is interesting. But just jumping up and down on the front.. shss don't tell anyone. The travel/dampening was shockingly bad. Guess the Wolverine has spoiled me.

They really aren't in the same category..

Pioneer is a Chevy Tahoe, the wolverine is a Porsche cayenne..

Both suv, both tow, etc.. But not the same.. Both do what they are designed to do, but it's Apple and oranges.

 

[Rockit401]

The Honda 1000 has 77 horsepower. What now?

 

[BigBuck]

Being a former Pioneer 700 owner (traded for Wolverine), I would say it is more like a Honda Ridgeline. Just like the Ridgeline wants to be a real pickup, the Pioneer wants to be a real utility ATV. I think the new Pioneer 1000 will be in the same class as the other's and maybe then some. When it comes to the mechanicals and reliability you can't beat a Honda. Their parts are expensive, but there is a good chance you will never have to buy any.

I think with the Pioneer 700, Honda was really behind in the UTV market because the Big Red was a flop. They had to get something out to compete and are now making good on the shortcomings of the 700.

 

[Axo938]

One good thing is at least now we have a lot of choices with so many different utv's out there.

 

[PapaSkeeta]

I'll be really interested to hear how the suspension on the new Pioneer 1000 P3 rides. I'm holding off on buying a Wolverine to see what new owners of the Pioneer P3 have to say about it, what it can be bought for, and how it rides. I could easily be persuaded to get the new Pioneer 1000 if all reports are good.

Are a lot of things I like about the 1000: Turf lock, 3 seater, tilt wheel, 6 speed paddle shifters, and that Low Range is a 42% gear reduction.

 

[EpicWolverine]

I'm not knocking it at all. I just see the pioneer as a great versatile utility utv.. I've said it before had I not driven the wolverine the pioneer better fills my needs as far as people carrying capacity, reliability, in a package in the wheel base that is trailable..

The wolverine is what it claims to be a trail utv.. A great mash up of sport and utility and I couldn't be happier with it..

 

[Hondabob]

The mud riders will like the Pioneer 1000. Just the 77 hp and they won't need to mod a belt drive. Also it comes with 27 inch tires and I expect 30's may fit.

 

[FordTruckMan]

The Honda 1000 has 77 horsepower. What now?

Im impressed. Now fix it so you don't have to come to a complete stop for 4wd and we are in the right direction....

 

[Rockit401]

Yes, it is hard to beat just reaching down and pushing the AWD switch to lock everything in or out. I use that switch a lot on tight trails going in and out of turf mode and AWD. It would be a hassle having to stop every time.

 

[Vital]

The Honda 1000 has 77 horsepower. What now?

That is nice solid horsepower, they need to do this to the Viking and Viking VI.

 

[Wolfie]

I see all this talk about HP. Additional HP in the wolverine wouldn't help anything. Its made for the trails. Hell, a guy that rides with us has a little honda 300 and he is right with us the entire time. He has been probably been riding for 30 years though.

I can attest that the Maverick I had with all the HP did nothing to help on the trails.

All that power used at the wrong time will just twist most things apart. This happens with the 1000 Polaris as well. I saw an abandoned 1000Turbo that looked like this.

Not dissing CanAm as they are good machines but there is a point when too much power is a bad thing.

 

[Flach24]

I buy my offroad machines based on longevity, reliability, and value. Then sometimes I get angry with the crowd of people who diss Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki for not having enough power, this or that, but then I just laugh when I see pictures like that. Theres a market for everyone person who wants to buy a side by side nowadays, and because I only need to use a 700 class machine with a bed doesn't mean its "slow" or junk and its definitely not bought to go out and stomp RZR's or Can Am's. Its like comparing race quads to utility quads, or dirtbikes to atv's, dunes to trail riding, they serve different purposes for different environments. I get so sick of seeing 1000cc big HP SxS owners and all they do is use there Ego and $$ to talk instead of ride.

 

[EpicWolverine]

Truth is the wolverine is just as fast if not faster on trails compared to the rzr and mav's. People get upset when I tell them it can easily keep up with or leave a rzr 900 on a trail..

Some times the truth hurts..loo

 

[BigBuck]

Polaris machines are all sporting big engines, but they are supposed to be notoriously unreliable. There is no doubt that they are overpriced.