I will be interested to see some suspension numbers...

EDIT:

Just watched

...what a joke. The guy sounds like a retard reading a script written by... a retard. So 10.5" front travel, 10" rear travel...OK fine, not what I would expect for a 1000cc machine, but it also looks like a damned utility machine too. If I was a HONDA nut, I would be straight pissed. What a disappointment. Not to mention you have to be completely stopped to go in and out of 4wd...wtf. Makes me love my Yamahas that much more!

 

This is a BIG improvement for the Pioneer platform. This machine is definitely a work machine, but they now have an engine and transmission to carry into the Sport SxS world.

 

turf mode, eps, low range, big bore engine, honda is listening to people it looks like may not be a perfect bike but which one is? looks like they made a lot of improvements imo. wonder what kinda hp it puts out. top speed. Price tag.

 

I see both ford man, and 4 nines point. It does sound good though when they are on the gas.

 

I dont think its a joke at all, in retrospect its very innovative. Every single Ranger owner thats ever burnt a belt up and uses there machines for work are going to want this machine. Or anyone who loves Honda (there are a billion) will want it. I agree its not for everybody but this thing will sell like hot cakes and its taken UTV transmissions to a whole new level. I personally think its great and can be used for many different types of riding/work.

 

There is a clutch system called the Duraclutch, we sell them for the Ranger's and RZR and you will never burn another belt


Polaris RZR XP 900, Polaris Ranger 800 - Duraclutches


Todd

 

To be completely honest before I found out about the wolverine, my first choice was the maverick maxx, second the 2015 rzr 900 4, and the pioneer 4.

The maverick is expensive but was more comfortable to me, and seeing tons of pre 15 rzr on the side of trails with broken ball joints it was my first choice.

The rzr 900 4 (2015) has fixed, so they say the belt heat, and ball joint problem. So that was cheaper 17,500, and more trail friendly being the A arm design, opposed to the trailing arm. The cabin is cramped in the front, my knee started hurting just sitting in it. The only way at 5'10 , I can fit in the rear was to have the seat all the way back and my knee was scary close to the rear grab bar.

The honda pioneer 4 was cost effective, the most reliable, plenty of room front and rear. The biggest thing that bothered me was the 3 speed transmission, and super low horsepower. That was probably the only reason I hadn't made a purchase.

I understand that gear ratio can amplify the power and reviews said the 700 has tractor like torque. The 3 speed limited that as well as the top speed.The new 1k with 6 speed seems brilliant if you're not looking for a sport model. The fact there is a secondary transmission, which I assume is the ability to switch between 2 gears on the trans output shaft theoretically gives you 12 forward gears. I see no reason a person couldn't stick on 30in tires and go climb rocks, or add 32's and go park in a mud pit and not just drive out. Add to that the addition off 3 more gears there top speed can be phenomenal. Most cars these days still have 6 speed transmission, and don't have a high low gear box.

Another stand out feature it's the paddle shifter and the 3 shift models, same as most high dollar automobiles. You can put in manual, low, and crawl rocks or mud in 1st, and 2nd gear.

Only down side is the pioneer is huge, it looks bad ass, and proportionate, but it makes the wolverine look like a golf cart.

Now add seating for 5. Wow

Honda reliability
Seating for 5
Manual or auto
Low and high range
1000cc displacement
Great suspension travel for a more utility based utv

And likely a friendly price tag.. I call it a win..

Would I get it over the wolverine....
Nah, after driving the wolverine and a few others I don't think much of any in the market touch it in terms of trail ability , comfort or handling..

Had I not spent time on the wolverine, considering I really want seating for 4, this would be super high on my list.. that's my 2¢

 

Looks to be a pretty decent machine (like you'd expect anything else from Honda), and should offer some competition to the Ranger and Viking, but doesn't appeal to me. For what I wanted, I found the perfect machine.

 

Pioneer forum is saying $14,000 for the 3 seat base model.
no resi shocks, no eps, bench seat, cheap tires, no top
I can buy a Wolverine eps otd for $12,000

 

I was also a honda guy for years, and owned their sport bikes and ATV's. My first UTV was a rhino and I loved it. But being a honda fan, when I the Pioneer came out I had to switch back. It was a pretty big disappointment. It is has a speed limiter in the low 40 mph range. A single disk on the rear, and it is on the driveshaft. I have to tow my trailer up a pretty steep hill in the backyard, and the atv trailer up the mountain. It is hard to be confident in that situation with no low range. The cabin is small and there is one a glovebox for storage. The sides of the bed and the tailgate are pretty flimsy plastic. When I was pushing mine from behind onto a trailer as somebody drove it, the tailgate caved in. There are not a lot of aftermarket accessories for the Pioneer either. It would be good if you had a small farm or light off roading, but there is nothing sporty about it and it lacks the stuff you want for extended riding.
I looks like they made up for some of the flaws with this new machine. They might as well discontinue the 700 model and just sell the 1000.
The beauty of the wolverine is it is right between sport and utility where just about every other machine is on one end or the other.

 

The Wolvy is good for what it was designed to do, but this new Honda is going to be big as far as sales compared to the Wolverine. It has some things the Wolverine
should have had like turf mode and tilt wheel and a big TWIN. But the market the Honda is aimed at is lots larger than the trail rider market and it will also steal some sales from the Wolverine, but all the other utility/recreational manufacturers are going to have to step up.
Turf mode is one of the biggies, and you can tell that by the significance Honda gives it in the promotional material, even naming it 'turf' mode like Polaris. If you have never had turf mode you probably won't see the big deal, but to those that have used it for a while it is not something most want to do without.
Honda has jumped ahead of Yamaha as far as knowing what the American consumer wants and it will sell big.
Of course Yamaha can always surprise us just like Honda did.

BIG TWIN, tilt wheel, turf mode.

 

To me, this model competes more with the Viking than the Wolverine. The twin and six speed are winners. Buyers are clamoring for that now. Tilt wheel should be on everything. The open rear diff. I don't care about but I have never had one, as you say.

 

I still stand by my statement. Turf mode is of no use to me. I could take or leave the tilt wheel. And the big twin? It's still a Honda...which is even more conservative than Yamaha, so it will make what, 60hp? That machine is huge and awkward. I have no desire for extra seating, that's just extra weight in my opinion. This machine is geared so heavily towards utility I can't imagine it taking ANY sales from the wolverine. This is going to be far more comparable to the viking series, from which it will DEFINITELY steal sales. The Viking needs to step it up to compete with this new pioneer. I agree, for a pure utility based machine, its great. But I would never want to take it trail riding. I think there is going to be heavy sales in this on farms and pipeline maintenance type jobs, but again, not recreation. As for the paddle shifters, I drive one handed so I would absolutely hate them. But that is the great thing about America, I can buy a machine from anyone I want, and it won't be Honda lol. As an aside, yamaha patented a turf mode already, I read the patent documents earlier this year. So, maybe those of you that like that feature will see it soon.

 

$1200.00 is steep for some farmer/rancher/joe blow that bought a SxS and has happen what a lot of people do, break a belt , and if you dont break the belt it will still wear, just like any machines Yamaha or Polaris. What I was getting at is this Honda has NO BELT, read that again, no belt, which is amazing. That means you dont have to worry about a belt getting wet, you dont have to service the clutch, you dont have to worry about another wear item, you dont have to buy a $1200.00 clutch to "fix" a problem. Its genius. Plain and simple. I love my Wolverine but i have never been in love with CVT's ever, coming from my background of racing quads and riding dirtbikes my whole life I love to shift and this Pioneer gives you the best of both worlds, you can shift or go auto.

 

Amen to what Flach24 posted here! My thoughts EXACTLY! I love the fact that it has no belt and a lot of other things it does have. I cannot imagine anyone not liking paddle shifters either. Great job on the P-1000 Honda!

 

All said and done I think the new pioneer are amazing. It's got essentially a sports car (Porsche/Audi) style trans, auto, sport, and manual.

If it makes 60hp that's cool.. That's twice what the 700 pioneer makes. Is it a trail beast, no! will it be as nimble, or as comfortable as a wolverine.. Nope..

But what you will get is honda reliability, a decent ride, a very capable off road machine that will let you take 5 people down a trail, in the wheel base of a 2/3 seater. I can tell you I ride with a ranger and the wolverine is as about as wide as the xp900 on 28in terminators and it fits where I fit.. That's something the longer wheel base utv can't. Now you can fit 5 people in the same area

I still think it's a win, no it's not as sporty as a wolverine r spec, but it wasn't designed to be, but if I wanted to haul 4 our 5 people into the mountains for the weekend the new Pioneer would be my vehicle of choice... As of right now..

Side note wolverine isn't going anywhere for a while. This wolverine is just to damn awesome.. But when you look at the non r spec models, I just smh.. It losses a lot that makes the wolverine what it is..

 

Well put Epic I couldn't agree more with you.
Have great weekend.

 

Was going to buy a Wolverine but the P1000 will suit my needs better. Honda always seems to stay one step ahead of the competition. My Pioneer 700-2 for 9500 bucks has been a good unit. Just looking for a three seater. We will see what the next Yamaha offerings will be.

 

Don't mind a CVT myself. Easy to service and cheap to fix. If a Rincon transmission goes, you might as well buy a new ATV. A replacement is 3k. I have a 98 Honda 300ex and it still runs great. Rebuilt the top end back in 2004 and it's still going strong. Sure, replaced clutch many times and axle carriers but that's it. Just not sure about the high tech transmissions since the come with high repair prices. Maybe it'll be great but I'll definitely wait and see.

 

True If the Honda transmission goes out it would be expensive. It would be interesting to see if anyone has had a Honda transmission go out. If not, then it is a non issue.

 

If you use it, don't abuse it and change the fluids regularly it should last a long time. If you like to push it passed it's intended limits then a CVT setup is your better some what cheaper choice. JMO

 

CAW had a new Honda 700 sitting out front. There's no comparison with the Wolverine. The difference in suspension alone is like comparing a raptor 90 suspension with a raptor 700R's suspension setup. Looks like it would beat the hell out of you through the trails we ride. The suicide doors are pretty neat though. The knob opening is interesting. But just jumping up and down on the front.. shss don't tell anyone. The travel/dampening was shockingly bad. Guess the Wolverine has spoiled me.

 

They really aren't in the same category..

Pioneer is a Chevy Tahoe, the wolverine is a Porsche cayenne..

Both suv, both tow, etc.. But not the same.. Both do what they are designed to do, but it's Apple and oranges.

 

The Honda 1000 has 77 horsepower. What now?

 

Im impressed. Now fix it so you don't have to come to a complete stop for 4wd and we are in the right direction....

 

Being a former Pioneer 700 owner (traded for Wolverine), I would say it is more like a Honda Ridgeline. Just like the Ridgeline wants to be a real pickup, the Pioneer wants to be a real utility ATV. I think the new Pioneer 1000 will be in the same class as the other's and maybe then some. When it comes to the mechanicals and reliability you can't beat a Honda. Their parts are expensive, but there is a good chance you will never have to buy any.

I think with the Pioneer 700, Honda was really behind in the UTV market because the Big Red was a flop. They had to get something out to compete and are now making good on the shortcomings of the 700.

 

One good thing is at least now we have a lot of choices with so many different utv's out there.

 

I'll be really interested to hear how the suspension on the new Pioneer 1000 P3 rides. I'm holding off on buying a Wolverine to see what new owners of the Pioneer P3 have to say about it, what it can be bought for, and how it rides. I could easily be persuaded to get the new Pioneer 1000 if all reports are good.

Are a lot of things I like about the 1000: Turf lock, 3 seater, tilt wheel, 6 speed paddle shifters, and that Low Range is a 42% gear reduction.

 

I'm not knocking it at all. I just see the pioneer as a great versatile utility utv.. I've said it before had I not driven the wolverine the pioneer better fills my needs as far as people carrying capacity, reliability, in a package in the wheel base that is trailable..

The wolverine is what it claims to be a trail utv.. A great mash up of sport and utility and I couldn't be happier with it..

 

The mud riders will like the Pioneer 1000. Just the 77 hp and they won't need to mod a belt drive. Also it comes with 27 inch tires and I expect 30's may fit.