OK folks. There has been an awful lot of discussion about sagging springs and ground clearance lately, and I got to thinking, we all say we have XX" of clearance, but how do we know we are measuring from the same spot as the next guy? Does anyone even know what reference point the factory uses for their claim of 11.5"? I feel like we need to get some consistency in where we measure positions so we are comparing apples to apples with sagging springs, lift kits, preload adjustments, etc. I hope to get some time in the next month to take measurements on my bike and adjust the preload back to stock and install the 3.5" lift kit. I will take lots of pictures and make notes along the way. If anyone would like to measure their stock height, please note where you are taking measurements from. A picture would be even better. My hope is that we can all chime in and document it in this thread, maybe making it a sticky in the end if we gather enough data.