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This is a discussion on New offering from Polaris within the Wolverine vs the Competition forums, part of the Yamaha Wolverine Gen 1 708 cc SxS category; I hate to beat a dead horse but here's my story..... I started my quadding history with 3 Polaris quads. Mine was a sportsman 500 ...

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    I hate to beat a dead horse but here's my story.....

    I started my quadding history with 3 Polaris quads. Mine was a sportsman 500 two up. Also 2 Hawkeye 300's.
    The 500 always overheated because of poor rad placement. It was low to the ground and always got plugged up. Heck the winch was ABOVE the rad. Engineering at its dumbest. It had a nice plush ride though. Poor braking downhills. Turf mode was a plus. Machine was ok in my eyes till repairs were becoming frequent.
    The 300 Hawks were 2 different siblings. One was a constant money pit while the other never gave me a stitch of problems. Loved the 300 quads though. Air cooled motors with aux oil coolers, liteweight could go through anything even with 25 inch tires.
    After lots of $$$ I sold all 3 and decided to buy 2 Yamaha Grizzly 700 SE with EPS and 2 Kodiak SE 450. My life CHANGED! Night and day different world. Everything I wanted in a quad was the 700! Such a refined machine. Engineering perfection. Had some recall issues but never left me stranded or in the shop at all. Awesome performance and superb cvt and braking.
    The 450 Kodiaks were a great machine too. That's why Yamaha re- introduced them for 2018. Not as refined as the flagship 700. Good ride and superb cvt and braking. Shined the best with stock tire size. Didn't like 26 mud tires because it made steering a little harder. Tie rods took a lot of strain and did break once (Somehow after all the weekend riding they broke loading on to trailer !) Also seemed to like to go through brake pads quickly even the expensive ones!
    Well life changes and we sold all the Yammies. I hated this thought because there was nothing wrong with the machines. The person that bought these got super reliable machines that were serviced religiously after every ride. Not repaired after every ride like the Polaris were becoming.
    Reliability is what I look for when shopping ATV's. I do my homework and research the forums on different brands. There you get real owners discussing true problems no BS. My choices for side by side got narrowed down real quick reading forums. I sure as hell wasnt buying a Polaris again. Result was the purchase of a Wolverine SE. I don't need 150 hp to go trail riding. I don't need v-twin horsepower spinning the wheels when stuck in mud. I'm not a hill climbing daredevil either. I want comfort,safety and reliability especially if I'm 30 km deep in the trails. I want value for my dollar. I bought this machine because it suits my purpose.
    I only have 10 hours on my break in and machine is starting to wake up now. At first I was disappointed in the sluggishness of the drivetrain. But things are getting seated and am really enjoying this machine. It really shines in the tight trails which is what we ride 90% of the time. The suspension is amazing and once I dial it in will add to the already comfortable ride. Maybe a Hunterworks clutch will be added too. Accessories are limited now but are coming out more.
    Sorry for long story but I need to put my 2 cents in. Moral of the story...
    YOU CANT BASH A RIDE UNLESS YOU OWNED ONE Lol

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    I don't care what you have, or what you think, I love my Wolverine
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    I love my Wolverine also!

    Here's another Po-Po story for you. My dad bought a new Range 570, and had it for 2 years and got tired of getting stuck in the winter snow all the time. So he took it in, bough new more aggressive tires, and had them mounted onto the stock rims. He had better luck but still got stuck way more than he thought he should. So he then takes it into the Po-Po dealer and tells them to look into the 4-wheel drive because he gets stuck a lot. They do, and respond by telling him that his battery isn't strong enough to engage the 4-wheel drive unit. And they go on to say that because he lives in a cold climate he should have purchased an upgraded heavy duty battery (even though they sold him the Ranger and never asked him or informed him of this problem). In short, his stock battery doesn't have enough juice to engage the 4-wheel drive when it's cold (which is when he needs it the most). He' so pissed at Po-Po right now.
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    love my Wolverine also!

    Here's another Po-Po story for you. My dad bought a new Range 570, and had it for 2 years and got tired of getting stuck in the winter snow all the time. So he took it in, bough new more aggressive tires, and had them mounted onto the stock rims. He had better luck but still got stuck way more than he thought he should. So he then takes it into the Po-Po dealer and tells them to look into the 4-wheel drive because he gets stuck a lot. They do, and respond by telling him that his battery isn't strong enough to engage the 4-wheel drive unit. And they go on to say that because he lives in a cold climate he should have purchased an upgraded heavy duty battery (even though they sold him the Ranger and never asked him or informed him of this problem). In short, his stock battery doesn't have enough juice to engage the 4-wheel drive when it's cold (which is when he needs it the most). He' so pissed at Po-Po right now.
    That kind of sounds like bull shit to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdonkeyvt View Post
    That kind of sounds like bull shit to me.
    I can tell you that my Dad is hot as hell about it.
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    Ok...Polaris has a lot of things going for it, but reliability is NOT one of them. Even the bean counters are figuring this out. This is from an investment web site:

    Polaris Industries Just Hit a New Milestone, And It's Not a Good One

    The powersports vehicle maker has dodged a hit to its reputation so far, but it's only a matter of time before its past catches up with it.


    Warren Buffett famously said, "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently."
    It might not be in a matter of minutes that the reputation of Polaris Industries (NYSE:PII) is coming undone, but its repeated product recalls is surely undermining whatever shred of credibility it had in building quality vehicles. The question for investors is whether the company will do things differently to prevent further erosion. By the looks of it, one could be forgiven for thinking no.

    Typically companies celebrate achieving certain milestones. Polaris would instead like you to forget the one it just hit. In the past two and a half years, the Powersports vehicle manufacturer has been forced to recall over 400,000 vehicles for manufacturing defects, and all the good work Polaris has put into building trailblazing, award-winning vehicles is at risk of being damaged because it can't find the right fix for its manufacturing problems.

    Several weeks ago Polaris issued two additional recalls: one for 25,600 Sportsman 570 all-terrain vehicles for fuel leaking into the headlights, and one for 1,160 of its off-road RZR 570 models where the front brakes could detach. The combination brought Polaris to its dubious watershed moment.

    Unfortunately, it ended the month of July issuing yet another recall, this time for its youth RZR 170 models due to cracked fuel tank necks along with reports of burning, smoking, melted, and shorted wires. Each sets of recalls was accompanied by a small number of actual fires.

    There is obviously a price tag associated with these recurring manufacturing problems. Last year Polaris reported an increase of approximately $31 million in its cost of sales due to higher warranty costs associated with the recalls while having to add $62.8 million to its warranty reserves. It ultimately paid out more than $132.3 million in warranty claims in 2016, almost 90% more than the year before.
    So far this year, Polaris has paid out $72.7 million in warranty claims and boosted its reserves by over 40% from the same time last year.

    This is the tangible impact of Polaris failing to get a grip on its manufacturing issues. Although the company reportedly initiated a top-to-bottom review of its processes and appointed specific people to oversee the effort -- it was the review that led the Powersports vehicle maker to recall the RZR 570s -- the subsequent recall of the RZR 170s, which includes the model years from 2015 to 2017, shows there's still a breakdown along the way.

    The internal review process should allow Polaris to end up producing a better, safer product in the future, and the toll taken on sales probably still has as much to do with the overall industry slowdown as it does with the manufacturing problems. Investors are also still giving Polaris a pass, as its stock is up 10% in 2017 (and only down around 5% over the last 12 months). But at some point the vehicle manufacturer is going to burn its reputation -- if not beyond repair, then enough to damage its ability to recover when the industry itself makes a U-turn.
    Manufacturing problems are not always fatal, even a string of them. Boeing (NYSE:BA) infamously had significant and serious issues with its 787 Dreamliner aircraft that resulted in numerous delayed deliveries and canceled orders, but it was able to get back on track and score more orders at this year's Paris air show with the 787 than its rival Airbus could with its competing A380.

    So Polaris Industries still has an opportunity to correct this deep problem, and it's planning for 2018 to be better than this year. But it's also thought it had these issues licked before.
    Unfortunately, more recalls are likely in Polaris Industries' future, and if they're issued at the same level the most recent ones were, the Powersports vehicle maker should surpass the next ignominious milestone of half a million vehicles recalled.

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    How the hell does fuel leak into a headlight?!?!
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